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| Saturday Night Special: "Historic" Vote Kills Health Care Reform for Another Generation |
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| Written by Chris Floyd | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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What did you do last Saturday night? Head out for dinner and a movie? Take in a show? Hit the clubs? Get cozy on the couch with your main squeeze? Well, here's what the U.S. House of Representatives did: they passed an "historic" health care bill which will put the kibosh on any genuine, equitable, sensible health care reform for many and many a year. The lies begin with the name itself. The bill is titled: Affordable Health Care for America Act.
In the NY Times story about the House passage of this detestable bill, we read this utterance from the awful Steny Hoyer:
At first the "public option" was to be a massive but less-than-universal healthcare plan that would prove so efficient and effective that over several years the public would all opt into it. It was a backdoor to a civilized system of Medicare for all. Now what's left of it? Now it's a public option for 2 percent of Americans, and in some states 0 percent, to be run by private corporations, with prices set to avoid any efficiency or competition for the wasteful health insurance companies.
So-called citizens' groups, now actually taking their directives from the very people they pretend to lobby, are so obsessed with passing any sort of bill, that the content of the bill is virtually irrelevant. I say virtually, because the collective decision is that it must contain something or other that can be mislabeled a "public option." Other than that, it could sentence millions of Americans to death, and it would still be fine and dandy. And that is exactly what it does.
Given the nature of the corporatist system that now throttles every aspect of life in the U.S., that is how the system works. That's how it's set up, and that's its purpose. The fact that insurance companies will reap huge rewards on the backs of "ordinary" taxpaying Americans is not a regrettable byproduct of an allegedly good but imperfect effort at reform, or a flaw that will be fixed at some unspecified future date. And as already powerful and wealthy interests become more powerful and wealthy, the State will also increase its already massive power over all our lives still more. None of that is incidental: it's the point.
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Truth Excavator
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... An emerging libertarian/conservative and progressive coalition is the only hope the country has left, and Silber is on the money for recognizing that there is common ground, and a real possibility for honest political change. Neither side is going to agree on every single issue, and that is probably a good thing. Large coalitions are inherently dynamic and don't hold up 'follow the party line' rhetoric to scare away potential newcomers. It is what democracy is all about - dialogue and compromise on small issues, but an alliance on big ones like the issuance of money, foreign policy, etc. Both sides can find common ground in ending spending for war, ending torture and spying, bringing back Americans' civil liberties, ending NAFTA and corporate welfare, and other life-changing issues. It will take intelligent and brilliant leadership to bring this coalition into being. It was very discouraging to see progressives belittle Ron Paul's campaign a year ago, even when Dr. Paul showed maturity by bringing a coalition together, consisting of Nader and McKinney, outlining an agreement that called for a change in monetary policy, end to foreign wars, and re-institution of civil liberties. And it is also discouraging to see republicans once again be fooled by Fox News and the republican machine. But, let's put that aside. There is a rising independent majority - whose views are largely unrepresented in the mainstream media and in Washington, and the political emergence of this new political class can reshape America's discourse and politics forever. I am glad Silber is on the ball on this development, he is by far one of the most mature and intelligent commentators writing today, on anything of practical importance. |
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Sean O'Neil
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... It's not about "sides" no matter what Truth Excavator suggests. Continuing to focus on "sides" is an indirect way of continuing tribalism. Why would one call one's self a "truth excavator" while offering posts that continue tribalistic division? Is tribalism the only truth? |
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Sean O'Neil
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... EVERYONE set their sights far too low. "Medicare for all"??? What a joke. Medicare sucks ass. Medicare is corrupt, bloated, inefficient. These are the same troubles the whole health care system is suffering -- corrupt, bloated, inefficient. So why would people be aiming so low? Because they are trained to aim low. Trained by masters of subtle manipulation, like Truth Excavator. |
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vastleft
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If by inefficient you mean operating with 1/10th the overhead of private insurance Sean, Socialized medicine would be the most cost-effective, but that "corrupt, bloated, inefficient" program is extremely popular with the public and would have been a simple, clear step in real progress. If socialized medicine were what you were proposing, I certainly wouldn't bash and marginalize you the way our "public option" hipsters did to "Medicare for All" advocates. Or is your agenda something altogether different? |
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Truth Excavator
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... I'm pretty sure you misunderstood the point I was making. If you haven't noticed, Americans have different values, so it is dishonest to pretend that there aren't legitimate cultural divisions in the country. I want to bridge these divisions, but you first have to acknowledge that they exist and that there is nothing wrong if you have millions who believe in Christianity and want the bible to be taught in school, and people who don't. But these cultural sides must come together and organize politically for the benefit of the country, at the federal level, and then they can decide what they want done for their separate states on cultural and educational matters. They can even secede if they want to, some states won't have any choice, the states will be too financially burdened to continue their relationship with Washington, but all that is beside the point. I am not suggesting anything. So, please, don't be an ass. |
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Sean O'Neil
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... vastleft, you can't complain about corruption in government while lauding government's efficiency. cherry-picked statistics don't support your argument. the simple truth is that Medicare is used as a reference only because people want to expand on what exists, rather than fix the problems in what exists. it's very obvious we have the $$$$ to spend on a real program of French-styled health care, but many would prefer to ignore that, and instead continue expanding an already bureaucratized system. bully for you, you want a big paternalist government. bully for you, and for Obama too. hooray for a leviathan govt. Truth Excavator, don't call ME an ass while you make your shape-shifting arguments that continue divisive partisanship. |
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Truth Excavator
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Sean... what shape-shifting arguments are you talking about? Geez, I might stop commenting here just because of your stupidity. |
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vastleft
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Again, Sean, what is your agenda? Indeed, my "cherry-picked" stat about the most obvious measure of relative efficiency between Medicare and commercial insurance can't measure up to your well-documented "Medicare is corrupt, bloated, inefficient." And your argument that I can't simultaneously complain that some government initiatives are bad and others are not-so-bad is ironclad. Given that, you're clearly the go-to guy on this. So, what would you like to see happen with health-care reform? |
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Michael A
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Follow the money Obama on the campaign trail received from the following: Health Sector:$20,163,933 Health Insurance:$1,548,651 Pharmaceutical :$2,156,590 Health Pro:$12,109,983 Hospitals:$2,881,138 Nursing Homes: $244,190 Pelosi received from the following: Health Sector:$1,289,850 Health Insurance:$201,250 Pharmaceutical:$233,700 Health Pro:$769,150 Hospitals:$177,300 Nursing Homes:$43,500 |
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Michael A
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Came across this comment from a reliable source The public option, whatever it is, will be a fig leaf to cover up what is essentially a Federally enforced purchase of an inferior product, which does not guarantee excellent health care but does guarantee excellent profits for insurance companies. We're being made to pay corporations for our very existence on this earth. I think there will be more bills along these lines. For those who are indigent or uninsurable, the government (ie, our taxes) will pay the insurance companies. And it's the middle class and working classes who really pay the taxes in this country, not the wealthy, and it is these classes that will be paying the taxes to support the public option for indigent and uninsurable. So in the end, the full cost of healthcare for everyone is being carried by the middle and working classes who will also have to pay the insurance companies. Since healthcare must be "self-sustaining" (i.e., not cause debt, unlike wars and Wall Street bailouts), it has to be paid for up front. Much of that is coming from US, the taxpayer, and some is coming from Medicare cuts, even though the Democrats are not really talking about that. My gut instinct is that Medicare will eventually be transferred to this new system, so that we will be paying insurance companies until we die. And the health insurance company death panels will continue to exist. ...This health care scheme involves: 1. Mandates, especially for the young (18-30 year olds) who don't get sick much. Their premiums will support the the care of everyone else: the old, those with pre-existing conditions, and the like. Wait until those young Obama voters who call me an "Obama hater" realize that they will have to spend their own money buying insurance, unless their employer carries it for them. 2. Taxes on the middle and working classes for a "public option" so that the hospitals don't lose so much money to charity cases. 3. No real cost controls. The public option is not real competition since most Americans won't be eligible for it. The key is the mandates. Without them, the whole scheme falls apart. Without the buy-in of the young and healthy, insurance companies can't afford (so they say) to insure older and sicker people and still make a profit. This is why Obama had to be either misinformed or lying when he said no mandates (except on children) and no new taxes if you make under $250K. This is not healthcare reform, and it is not merely rearranging chairs on the Titanic. It is making us all pay for tickets on the Titanic, and then saying that we're all saved. |
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Sean O'Neil
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gimme a break, Tooth Excoriator oh what a whiny little obfuscator. anyone can comment here, even those who come here with a Pwog-Weasel agenda. whether you post as "ice" or "Ovid" or "Truth Excavator" or some other monniker, you can post freely. Chris Floyd doesn't ride herd on comments, so feel free to post as you wish, as you will, as is your wont. my opinions should mean as little to you as yours mean to me. they shouldn't stop you from posting nonsense. they haven't thus far. |
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Sean O'Neil
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Michael A knows what's up on the end result of health care "reform" good comments Michael. |
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Sean O'Neil
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to vastleft 1) nobody is obliged to have a "plan" that is superior to what you argue, vastleft. not even I am so obliged. 2) however, I have said here at least 5 times that we need a French or Canadian plan, at the very least. you are free to say medicare is that plan, and I am free to disagree completely with you when you say that. 3) the point of discussion is to point out flaws and work from a well-understood problem TOWARD a solution. you would invert this process and demand full blown solutions while people still can't figure out the problem. the fact that you argue for Medicare shows you don't comprehend the problem, and would prefer to compound it by spreading the problem wider and further and deeper. that sounds to me like amplifying a problem, not fixing it. |
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radegan
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... I'll fix it all for you - just mandate that insurance companies pay out in claims the same percentage of premiums they paid out in 1995, it's almost 10% average and all it bought us was more profits and more warm and fuzzy ads. And then get rid of the law that stopped us from access to Canadian pharmacies to fill prescriptions. Those two simple actions will do ten times as much for the average Joe. No, instead they want to jail you for not buying a policy. Now are they planning to jail the insurer for not paying off on claims too? There, you know all you need to know. Oh, yeah, I read the new plan will force you to keep your vaccinations up to date to access any health care. Got your load of mercury yet? Did you see the US Govt finally admitted mercury fillings are bad for you and may cause mental problems...duh? Didn't see that? I only saw it in a British paper - can't have our citizens reading that while debating whether to take a little more mercury in your vaccine. (If you saw the German government vaccination story you know that adjuvants are not needed at all. They just help stretch supplies, like you do with cattle vaccinations.) |
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Cathy Hanna
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... Some good comments here, and I agree alot with Michael and Sean. Half the time I'm confused by all the debating on this issue. I have a funny feeling that mainstream media is portraying it in a way that it is confusing. I here people calling Obama a socialist sometimes. This doesn't add up to the facts behind the coming health bill, though. He and the rest of the politicians are backing forced (mandatory) coverage, where we have to buy our insurance from one of these illicit insurance companies, many of which have been responsible for denying people needed medical help and has contributed to actual HUMAN BEINGS dying because of it. I am now 50 with no health coverage. I'm actually quite healthy, luckily. but at my age this could change quickly. A year ago I lost a decent paying job because of 'cutbacks'. Since then I began working for a seasonal employer (agriculture) because its all I could find. No insurance and low wage. But have managed. Next week this job ends, so back to unemployment and little prospect for job until next "season". Truly saddened by what has happened in U.S. but I saw this coming. I am now looking to move overseas, possibly apply for college to get a masters degree. I have no idea what else to do. Am a big anti-war activist and now they are talking about a "draft" in which my 17 year old son is in danger of. I never thought at my age I would be looking to leave my homeland or considering college again. But where I live the economy, other than agriculture, has been pretty much devastated. And as we all know you cannot make decent living off agriculture seasonal work. Any suggestions would be welcome. I am at end of my tethers trying to figure it all out. Is this Karma for all the bloodletting we have done overseas? Sometimes I wonder. What is very sad is it is the people of conscience who will, along with all those that believed the stupid lies of politicians and banksters, be the ones who pay the price. The orchestrators of these deceptive lies and shams most assuredly already have their life boats prepared. |
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robertsgt40
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At Some Point... At some point all will be affected by this usurption of individual rights/freedoms. There will be no group/tribe to join that will solve the problem. All will have to draw their own "line in the sand". In a year I will be getting Social Security. I will not partake in any healthcare brokered by the feds(I can't afford healthcare now). I will take appropriate actions if any attempt is make to get my ss funds. That is my line in the sand |
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maggie
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Are they serious? What about those who can't find a job due to health issues they already have? What about those who can't even pay rent or buy groceries? What about those who have already staggering medical bills, who's going to help them with those? This is too little, too late, and too obvious. The only intent that congress and the senate have is to bleed the rest of us dry. After all, they don't really have to care, do they? They've already got medical coverage and WE pay for it one way or another. Too one sided, too unfair, their "let them eat cake" moment. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! |
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t quigly
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what's in a name? "The lies begin with the name itself." Stop repeating their orwellian-speak of 'health-care'. The title of this bill is the Insurance Company CEOs Care bill - ICCC - pronounced ICK !! |
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Nom A Mouse
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Has anyone knitted together the Insurance ties to commerical real estate and the bailout? My memory is that the Insurance firms covered themselves via investments in commercial real estate. Has anyone bothered to dig up via various public filings the g;e of exposure to commercial real estate the insurance firms have and if the projected losses in real estate will be covered by the mandates? |
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The Happy Holistic
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The time for COALITION is NOW! Yes! We are long past due for a coalition of freedom-lovers of all political stripes who are ready to rise up against the corporate-government monopoly that OWNS both parties. We have much common ground: End the Fed and issuance of private money, NAFTA/GATT, Wall Street Bailouts, Mandated private health insurance, and expensive wars of empire. We need to re-direct that ones to building this country back up: infrastructure, smart manufacturing, and new energy development. We need to cut out the middlemen parasites, the bankers. Its time for an "Uprising", just like the anthem sung by the rock group MUSE. We need to unify on what we can agree with and fight the power. The other issues we have differences on can wait until we have taken the country back. |
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The Happy Holistic
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Sean: Go back and read Truth Excavator's first post You call for an end to partisanship and divide. That's exactly what Truth was calling for: UNITY - on the major issues we can agree on. And I'm sorry but there are two sides that matter: those in power and those not, which includes about 80% of the country. The elites use divide and counquer strategies to take our eyes off the real picture of what's going on. Don't fall for it. They may own the media and the politicians, but we have the numbers. All we have to do is unify and we could shake them off our backs. There's nothing partisan about what Truth has posted. |
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